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Dollar, Roscoe, Crate Training, etc.



Hi Gina and all,
 
Unfortunately, I can't recap this without giving a fairly long explanation.  I can hear Gina sighing now!  ;-)
 
Yes, Roscoe is getting much better with Dollar, but he still won't play much mostly because it's just too hot outside and he doesn't want to be bothered.  Also, I have to call the vet tomorrow for him because his left eye is weeping some yellowish/green goop and seems to really be bothering him.  I don't think the "Tenacious Roscoe" feels up to par right now.  :-(
 
I would be happy to recap what was going on for me, and I'm more than willing at this point to admit I was wrong and that I was letting Dollar have the upper hand.  Unfortunately, lack of sleep does crazy things to someone who is known among her friends and family as the "Tsarina" !  <grin>  When first brought home, Dollar refused to sleep in her crate right from the get go.  At night she fussed and would eventually settle down, but during the day for naps or if I had to leave the room she threw a fit!  She would NOT settled down or stop.  Luckily, I never made the mistake of letting her out while she was fussing.  I always waited until she quieted and settled down.  Eventually, however, I got to the point that I'd let Dollar just nap in the kitchen (with the gate up) on the tile floor where she seemed to enjoy it more.  However, she'd wake up (like Ilene said) and get into trouble or potty.  I knew this wouldn't work and had to get "expert" help (i.e. Gina).  I WAS indeed afraid of Dollar hating me for crating her, or perhaps creating separation anxiety but for the wrong reasons.  I was actually letting her have HER way, instead of getting her to please me.  All of my training books were telling me to never force your dog into the crate, etc, etc. if they don't want to go.  Blah, blah.  I thought they were saying that if I put her in her crate and she howled incessantly that she'd hate the crate and end up having separation anxiety.  Not true.  I realized she'd have to learn to like the crate.  After all, I wasn't putting her in there in anger or anything - I'm not a monster (LOL).   I finally called in reinforcements (Gina) and she suggested putting the crate in the kitchen where she liked to nap on the floor.  It should have been a no-brainer, but remember I was not thinking clearly.  Then Gina said give her a food stuffed kong to enjoy while she's in there.  Ta da!  It worked!  She ate her kong and forgot about hating the crate!  Eventually, I was able to leave the room and Dollar did not fuss.  After she got bored with the kong and had to go outside, I let her out.  AFTER she stopped fussing and whining.
 
I worked up the time in the crate to longer periods.  I'd plunk her in there (after potties of course), give her a kong, and then go take a shower.  I'd come back and she'd either still be eating the kong or sleeping, and EVEN just laying there quietly looking at me.  I worked this up to going outside for some time.  Came back - still no howling.  Worked it up even more to leaving the house for an hour.  Some fussing at first when I'd leave (I could hear her as I was getting in the car).  I'd come back after an hour, and she was asleep.  Hmm, I thought.  That Gina is ALWAYS right.  Well, I should mention here I did have some help from another expert, my friend Debbie Berry.  Dollar is from Debbie's Sunshine line.  She told me I was NOT being alpha.  Boy, was she right.  She said, "Joan, Dollar is there to please you, not the other way around!"  What?  Really?  And she won't hate me? 
 
My final big success was just last week.  I put Dollar in her crate in the morning for a nap with just her stuffed toy and a cookie.  Then I left the room and went to take a shower.  Boom!  I came back and she was asleep.  Absolutely no fussing, no crying, nothing.  She has finally accepted it.  Now I do this regularly and she is just fine.  What worked was getting her to like the crate by tossing treats in there and letting her go inside to get them.  I'd say "crate!  Good girl!"  I worked this up also by making the times a little longer and eventually closing the door.  I had to make her understand that I would return also.  What didn't work was letting her have her own way and not being alpha.  Now I do have to interject that the problem was compounded by my lack of sleep the first couple of weeks because Dollar also had a very, very nasty bladder infection and didn't sleep well all night long.  I think this didn't help the crate training because she had to pee so much and was actually in pain.  When I took her to the vet we noticed her tummy was a little tender and she'd yelp when we'd pick her up.  Ladies, you all know what a UTI or bladder infection feels like.  But getting her on medication helped and then being a little more "alpha" also worked.  Also, putting a blanket around all sides but one worked wonders for that "den" effect.  If she'd fuss, I'd bang on the top and say "no!" and leave the room.  The fan works well too because it's warmer here than where she came from (northern California).
 
I have trained lots of dogs and I should have known better not to let a dog get the better of me.  In reality I'm very good at training dogs and they love me.  Ron calls me the "dog lady".  :-)  But Roscoe is now almost 6, and my dear Madison (passed on) was already 7 mos old when I got her.  I needed a refresher course and some reminders.  Luckily I have great support in Gina, Debbie and everyone on this wonderful list.  Dollar really is a pistol and she's much more independent than Madison was.  Understanding that I'm alpha and making her understand it is very important for this type of dog.  The other thing is that she needs to learn things to be kept busy, and that will be our next step.  Intelligent dogs like to get into trouble and I can see this is the case with her.  I must channel that intelligence in the RIGHT direction.
 
How's that Gina?
 
Joan
----- Original Message -----
From: Gina Heitz
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: sleeping & training begins...

Oh yes the tenacious terrier Rosco!!!!!  <smile>  who is getting better with Dollar???
Glad that my advice was useful, mainly folks Joan was having I don't wanna issues with Dollar and some of you may find yourselves in this same position soon as your Casino kid gets "smart".....  Joan didn't want to traumatize Dollar she was afraid that Dollar would hate her, she Joan will not admit this but it's the truth, we all just want our dogs to love us right?  No crime here but what is most important is to know they will but that they also have to learn to respect us and our wishes need to be made very clear.  Dollar was the opposite of Gambler, she was the only girl in her litter and she is a pistol.... 

Joan would you please take some time when you have it and recap what I told you to do and what worked and what did not?

Thanks,

Gina
who hates to be put on pedestals....