ok i was missing the boat i think, i found mom, the stud link doesn't have the "dad" on it, i tried to pull up dad twice and his hips,heart, eye clearance never came up. by pedigree do you mean akc, because she never said "akc karla...." none of her dogs full akc names appear correctly as far as i can tell. ok thanks for putting up with my amateurism, but it's a great learning experience!