Grandad's is an excellent alternative for those who can't get the RMB's right away. It's crushed RMB's. Comes in two pound rolls, can be gotten at Keizer Feed for $1.25 a pound. I can make a run down before the weekend and get some stock if any of you want some? I got Janet 20# to start Ripley off on till she could get in the grove... Gina :-)